Classic: An ex-atheist faces off with an ex-Christian

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🗓️ 27 May 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Holly Ordway is the Cardinal Francis George Professor of Faith and Culture at the Word on Fire Institute and a Visiting Professor of Apologetics at Houston Christian University. She holds a PhD in English and serves as a subject editor for the Journal of Inklings Studies. A regular guest on The CS Lewis Podcast, Holly has a deep passion for exploring the intersection of faith and culture. In 2016, she engaged in a fascinating conversation with Vanessa James, a musician who was once a committed Christian but later became an atheist. Their discussion explores the complexities of faith, the pros and cons of atheism and Christianity, and our shared search for meaning, beauty, and truth. This dialogue offers a compelling look into both women’s journeys and the challenges they faced in their quests for understanding.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Moreland's College.
0:02.7	Here at Morelands, we want to equip people passionate about Jesus to impact the church and world.
0:07.8	Through engaging practical programs, we want to give men and women the knowledge and skills in order to go out into Christian ministry.
0:15.3	Come and be equipped here at Morelands College.
0:18.3	Arrange a conversation, book onto an open day,
0:21.6	or apply at moorlands.ac.ac.
0:24.6	.
0:25.6	U.K.
0:26.6	Hi, Tolladol Fischer here,
0:31.6	editor of Women Alive magazine.
0:33.6	This month, I spoke with the excellent Joe
0:36.6	Saxton about her mission to gather women leaders from all over the world.
0:40.8	Are you worried about aging? As the world tries to convince us to get a summer body, Dr. Becky Howey reflects in some biblical wisdom to combat comparison culture.
0:50.5	Are you feeling lonely? Daniel Finch considers how the church is responding to the loneliness epidemic.
0:56.2	Also in this issue, we champion 80-year-old former nun, Sue Parfit,
1:00.9	who has been arrested 28 times for protesting on climate change.
1:05.2	Woman Alive, for real women with real lives and very real faith.
1:10.2	Well, hello, welcome along to Unbelievable with me, Justin Briley,
1:13.5	the show that brings Christians and non-Christians together every week.
1:16.6	Well, today on the program, we're meeting the ex-Christian and the ex-athist,
1:20.7	telling their stories, and it's very much a conversation that we're going to be hearing
1:24.4	on Unbelevable this Saturday afternoon, and it's my great pleasure to be joined by Vanessa James and Holly Ordway.
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