Adult Conversion vs Leaving the Faith: What’s More Meaningful? Matthew Su & Nathan Ormond | Schools Debate Special

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🗓️ 30 May 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Is it more meaningful to convert to Christianity as an adult—or to leave it behind after growing up in the faith? In this special schools debate, host Sam McKee is joined by Matthew Su, a Christian convert and Cambridge PhD candidate, and Nathan Ormond, ex-Christian and YouTuber at Digital Gnosis. With big questions from teenage students, the episode dives into belief, deconstruction, and what it really means to be intellectually honest about faith. A raw and thoughtful exchange for anyone navigating belief, doubt, or somewhere in between. SOCIAL LINKS Twitter: https://twitter.com/unbelievablefe Facebook: / https://facebook.com/premierunbelievable Instagram: / https://instagram.com/premierunbelievable Tik Tok: / https://tiktok.com/@premier.unbelievable 👉 Get bonus content, updates, fascinating articles, and early access to new episodes—absolutely free! Join now at www.premierunbelievable.com 🎉📢 • Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast: https://pod.link/267142101 • More shows, free eBook & newsletter: https://premierunbelievable.com • For live events: http://www.unbelievable.live • For online learning: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/training • Support us in the USA: http://www.premierinsight.org/unbelievableshow • Support us in the rest of the world: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/donate

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1:04.7	This month, I spoke with the excellent Joe Saxon about her mission to gather women leaders from all over the world.
1:11.8	Are you worried about aging? As the world tries to convince us to get a summer body, Dr. Becky Howie reflects in some
1:17.8	biblical wisdom to combat comparison culture. Are you feeling lonely? Danielle Finch considers
1:23.2	how the church is responding to the loneliness epidemic. Also in this issue, we champion 80-year-old former nun Sue Parfit,
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1:42.7	Well, hello and welcome to this special episode, live episode of Unbelievable, with me your guest host today, Sam McKee.
1:50.8	We've got a very philosophy-orientated discussion here today.
1:53.7	We're going to find out from our two guests, while one of them is a Christian and while one of them is an atheist.
1:59.2	And a huge thank you to Sir Henry Floyd
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