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For the last year and a half, Dr. Arne, my guest, Dr. Larry Arne, president of Hillsdale College,

and Churchill Biographer Extraordinary,

the Equal of any Churchill scholar out there. We have been working our way through, and this is the

penultimate episode, about this book, The Gathering Storm, Winston Churchill, throughout the 30th,

through his time in the Neville Chamberlain government after the beginning of World War

2 on September 1, 1939. And Dr. Arne, as we come

close to the end, we're going to do a big gulp of chapters today, chapters 31 through 36 in the

gathering storm, that covers so much ground, but a lot of it is way up north in Norway and Sweden

and Denmark and the Baltic and the reaches

of the fjords of Norway that it gets complicated. I wanted you to begin, though, by talking about

the phony war and the dark New Year chapter where Churchill says he's writing a Christmas card

to a friend saying,

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