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all 13 years of them, at Hugh for Hillsdale.com. I don't have a good

index for them, but you hunt around, you'll find everything from Homer to last week. We're

talking about Minnesota and Greenland and Iran. But we are now back in Winston Churchill's

memoir with Dr. Larry Arne, president of Hillsdale College. If you're new to this, Dr. Arn, was part of the official biography team of Winston Churchill for many years with the wonderful Mrs. Arn.

And we have been spending a lot of time on Churchill's war memoirs for the second World War having done the First World War a long time ago, but the First World War appears in chapter 33, Dr. Arne, called the Admiralty

task, because it begins with this meditation on his wartime experience.

He's kind of doubt in the dumps after he visits Scapp of Flow once he's back at the

Admiralty, which we talked about last

time.

What do you put that down to?

Well, war is hell.

He knew it.

What else anybody?

And he had spent his parliamentary career, his first big speech in Parliament is in

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