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Leading Saints Podcast

Church is Community | An Interview with Steve Shields

Leading Saints Podcast

Leading Saints

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.81.2K Ratings

🗓️ 2 May 2026

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Steven W. Shields, CMHC, CETII, CECII, is passionate about helping others regain their freedom by healing their root trauma. One of his greatest moments with clients is when he fires them. His hope is to help clients access that inner healing as quickly as possible so they can stop spending time and money in therapy, live the adventure, and experience the joys that life has in store for them. Steven loves dirt biking, Christian rap, and playing Pokémon with his kids.

Steve Shields

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Highlights

Steve discusses the importance of community and authenticity within Latter-day Saint congregations, and how to foster genuine connections and address the challenges of secrecy and shame in church settings.

Key Insights

  • Community vs. Secrecy: Steven emphasizes the distinction between confidentiality and secrecy. While confidentiality involves honoring individuals’ stories, secrecy can hinder authentic connections and healing.
  • Authenticity in Leadership: Leaders are encouraged to model authenticity by sharing their own experiences and struggles, which can create a safe space for others to do the same.
  • The Role of Therapy: Therapy serves as an artificial container for healing, providing tools and support that individuals may not find within their community. However, true healing often occurs through genuine relationships and community support.
  • Cultural Challenges: Many members feel isolated or disconnected in their wards, often due to fear of judgment. Steven argues that this leads to a culture of silence, where individuals keep secrets rather than seeking connection.
  • Building Connections: Leaders should actively work to create environments where members feel safe to share their struggles, thus fostering a sense of belonging and support.

Leadership Applications

  • Encourage Vulnerability: Leaders can promote a culture of openness by sharing their own challenges and inviting members to do the same, which can help break down barriers of shame and secrecy.
  • Facilitate Small Groups: Organizing smaller gatherings or discussion groups can help members connect on a deeper level, allowing for more meaningful conversations and support.
  • Model Authenticity: By being transparent about their own journeys, leaders can inspire others to engage authentically, ultimately strengthening the ward community and enhancing overall unity.

00:03:43 – The Importance of Community
00:04:16 – Current Trends in Therapy
00:05:40 – Managing vs. Healing
00:08:10 – The Role of Worthiness
00:09:50 – The Journey of Repentance
00:11:32 – Addressing Pornography in Leadership
00:12:25 – Confidentiality vs. Secrecy
00:14:05 – The Nature of Confidentiality
00:15:10 – The Need for Vulnerability
00:18:25 – Creating Safe Spaces in Church
00:19:28 – The Power of Authenticity
00:21:11 – Building Connections in the Ward
00:23:29 – The Role of Community in Recovery
00:25:17 – The Importance of Sharing Stories
00:27:39 – Overcoming Fear and Shame
00:29:10 – The Cost of Speaking Up
00:30:57 – The Role of Therapy in Healing
00:32:19 – Building Community in the Church
00:34:06 – The Future of Healing and Community
00:35:17 – The Role of Therapy as an Artificial Container
00:37:14 – The Need for Organic Healing
00:40:10 – Therapy and Community


The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

All right, here's our goal, folks. Leading Saints is no longer a podcast. Well, obviously, we are a podcast. We will continue to podcast, but we're really shifting our focus over to Zion Lab, which is an online community put on and developed by leading saints.

0:17.1

And this is where we want to go and gather the masses and share ideas about leadership,

0:22.1

share ideas about different calling, share ideas about building Zion.

0:26.1

And this is the place that we want to make online where all things are discussed,

0:30.2

great ideas are shared, and that we can help one another in whatever calling we're in

0:34.7

or what calling we're not in to feel like, you know, I've got purpose

0:37.9

here. I can really make a difference in shifting culture in a better way or developing Zion in my

0:42.6

own corner of the kingdom. So join us over at Zion Lab at leadingsaunts.org slash Zion. And there

0:49.3

you can just jump in. It's free to join and create a profile and jump in and look around and answer some

0:55.4

questions, leave a comment, pose a question. I think you'll benefit from the things we're doing

0:59.5

over at Zion Lab. So join us. Before we jump into the content of this episode, I kind of feel

1:06.6

it's important that I introduce myself. Now, many of you've been around a long time. You're well

1:11.4

familiar with my voice and with Leading Saints as an organization. But if you're not, well,

1:17.1

my name is Kurt Frankum and I am the executive director of Leading Saints and the podcast host. Now,

1:22.2

Leading Saints is a non-profit organization dedicated helping Latter Day Saints be better prepared

1:27.4

to lead.

1:28.1

And we do that through, well, content creation like this podcast and many other resources

1:32.3

at leading saints.org.

1:33.8

And we don't act like we have all the answers or know exactly what a leader should do or

1:39.4

not do, but we like to explore the concepts of leadership, the science of leadership,

1:44.7

what people are researching about leadership, and see how we can apply them to a Latter-day Saint world.

1:49.5

So here we go.

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