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Breakpoint

Church and State

Breakpoint

Colson Center

News, Religion & Spirituality, News Commentary, Christianity

4.82.8K Ratings

🗓️ 6 November 2024

⏱️ 6 minutes

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Summary

How Christianity invented the conflict between church and state.

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0:00.0

Welcome to Breakpoint, a daily look at an ever-changing culture through the lens of unchanging truth.

0:05.5

For the Colson Center, I'm John Stone Street.

0:09.0

While all of this buzz over Christian nationalism, muddied as it is by the lack of a definition of what exactly that means and who's guilty of it,

0:17.2

it's an opportunity to reflect on the proper relationship of religion and government.

0:22.8

Despite all of the dire warnings we hear of an imminent and existential threat from Christian

0:27.8

theocrats, it's important to note that this kind of discussion, including a discussion about

0:33.0

the limits of religious influence on the state, well, that only happens in a culture widely shaped

0:38.8

by Christianity. In fact, many scholars of religion argue that the idea of religion itself

0:44.5

is a product of Christianity. And that's because, in most cultures throughout the history of the

0:49.3

world, religion simply cannot be separated from the rest of society. It's far too intertwined. Christianity,

0:55.3

however, is different. And that's because the church's first 300 years was as an illegal minority

1:01.8

religion, which established Christianity as a separate and independent entity from the rest of culture,

1:07.2

especially the state. This history was the origin of the idea that religion can, in fact,

1:12.8

be disentangled from the rest of culture. When Constantine legalized Christianity in the Roman

1:17.5

Empire, the question of how to negotiate the relationship between church and state emerged. That, of course,

1:24.0

was new territory for both sides. Overall, the clergy were thrilled to have a Christian emperor, but still, many had been tortured

1:30.9

for their faith under Constantine's predecessors.

1:33.8

The idea that they'd simply roll over and fully submit to this new, kinder emperor's authority,

1:40.5

while that greatly underestimated their grit, their courage, and their faithfulness.

1:48.7

And so the church, to various degrees, continued to maintain its independence.

1:52.1

For several centuries, the church and the state generally cooperated.

1:55.0

But around the 11th century, things began to get complicated.

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