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Because we believe that the more real they become, the more power we can draw out of them

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I'm your host, Kerry Mielstein, and I'm very excited about our episode today. It's a special episode. We've never done anything like this on the scriptures are real. We're going to have kind of a roundtable, and in fact, it's going to be even a different roundtable than you may think, because I've got two guests with me right now,

and then we'll have a third guest on another time.

We couldn't arrange the schedule to have all three. It's going to be even a different roundtable than you may think because I've got two guests with me right now.

And then we'll have a third guest on another time.

We couldn't arrange the schedule to have all three of us at once, but that's okay.

And all of them are returning guests.

So I have with me today both Trevin Hatch and Avram Shannon, who have both been guests multiple times on the program.

And later we'll have Jeff Chadwick.

All three of them, because of various studies that they've done, have some interesting

perspectives on the Pharisees and who the Pharisees are and what roles they play in the New Testament, what rules

they play after the New Testament, and how we should think about them. Because I think in general,

as a church membership, we kind of simplify what we think the Pharisees are and we think bad guys.

That's just kind of all we think. And that's not the full picture. And I don't think of the four of us that

will be part of this, I don't think any of us have exactly the same ideas and opinions, but I think

in many ways we agree, and there may be a couple points we'll push each other on. And that's what I

thought would be fun about this. I think we can agree and push amicably because we all like each other. And that's what I thought would be fun about this. I think we can agree and push amicably because we all like each other. And that's what scholarship does anyway. We're used to it. So we're going to start with Trevin. And take just a second, Trevin, tell us how you got into studying the Pharisees. You know, we don't want to take too long because we've got lots of time for the meat of the discussion. And then why don't you tell us just kind

of some general information that might help us understand the Pharisees. Okay. Yeah, thanks.

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