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You know, there's no way to predict how people are gonna see a story that one is

writing and how much of it is biographical or not.

In fact, it seems like that whole idea of

fiction being a way of exploring the possibilities of other people seems to be

a little befuddled maybe at the moment.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

On this episode, Debbie Talks with designer Chip Kidd, okay you don't know me, but I love you. And with Chip Kidd's good friend, the graphic novelist Chris Ware.

I really do believe people can change that.

We have to believe that.

If we don't believe that, then what's the point?

Here's Debbie.

First with a word from our sponsor.

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