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Okay, now on to today's episode.

From the New York Times, this is the interview. I'm David Marquesi.

Whether it's tariffs, domestic politics, or global conflicts, President Trump likes to boast about his deal-making. The way he conducts his negotiations so publicly on social media

has made it feel almost

mandatory to have an opinion about how he does it.

But what does an actual negotiation expert think of the so-called deal maker-in-chief?

Chris Voss was at the FBI for nearly 25 years, where he eventually became their lead

international kidnapping negotiator.

He worked on over 150 hostage negotiations.

Now he's a hugely influential public speaker, private coach,

and the CEO of the Black Swan Group,

a company that teaches negotiation around the world.

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