Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host,

Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So,

whether you're a grizzled veteran,

playing for tips on a subway station platform

or else a scrappy upstart,

playing for tips during your Twitch live stream,

this is your show,

because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most,

an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the last Friday of July, and I thank you for joining us.

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