Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to

talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep

on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran trying to score a co-write on an AMCO commercial

or else a scrappy upstart, trying to get a hundred bucks Venmo to you for scoring an Instagram

ad, this is your show.

Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad

excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the third Friday of August 2021, and I thank you for joining us.

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