You are a famous person, known by millions, who's also very online.

How has that experience changed, who you are, how you think, how you interact with others?

Have you thought about that?

Oh, I thought about a lot.

The experience of getting the prime time show.

The first four or five years of that was like really pretty psychologically difficult.

And mess me up pretty bad, I would say, like the way that I describe it is there's an episode

of The Simpsons in which Bart is working from the Mafia and they hijack a cigarette truck

and then when they take the stolen cigarettes, they hide them all in Bart's room.

And so Homer walks in and there's like thousands of cartons of cigarettes in Bart's room and

he's like, Bart, are you smoking?

And Bart's like, no, he's like, I'm going to make you sit here and smoke every one of

these cigarettes.

And the way that I think about the first few years of like real public life fame was like,

oh, oh, you like people paying attention to you?

Well, here's a thousand cartons of cigarettes of people's paying attention to you.

Do you still like it?

I'm John Favreaux, welcome to Othlin.

Hey everyone, my guest today is Chris Hayes, host of MSNBC's All In with Chris Hayes and

the podcast Why Is This Happening?

Like me, Chris is another extremely online political junkie who I could have talked to

about anything.

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