Hello everybody welcome back to another episode of the casual career of the Stas Always,

I'm your host Simon, why am I saying one of my writers, David, has written me a script

that I've never read before and we dear audience, gonna explore it together,

chopper, Australia's most lovable torture murderer.

Okay, let's see if I love this guy at the end, he's a torturer, he tortures people to death.

Who's that famous philosopher? I want to say it's like, you know, one of those lies like

Socrates or Aristotle or the other big one begins with a pee.

Plato, splato, thank you. Who's there? I need to go with the pee and they say and there's that thing

that you know about worries or whatever and Plato or whoever it was is always like, I don't worry,

it could always be worse, you could always be being tortured to death. It's like yeah you good,

but the problem is then if you actually do find yourself in a situation where you're being

tortured, tortured to death, that's not really any help is it because you're being tortured to death,

it's like the worst thing that could possibly happen and how am I supposed to find this guy

lovable? David, anyway, David, I feel like it's been a while since you wrote me a script,

I think you wrote me that absolutely massive one, which hasn't come out yet because it's several

hours, it takes, it takes me a long time to record and then he takes it even longer time to edit,

thank you Jen, who edits these, you're wonderful. Anyway, this one's a relatively brief 24 pages,

David, they're always saying, which is fine, which is fine, let's go.

In 1992, René Brak, a journalist for 60 minutes, Australia, paid of his it to Mark Chopper Reed,

he was holed up on the island of Tasmania, which prior to the Port Arthur massacre of 1996,

had Australia's most relaxed gun laws, Chopper felt he needed guns and a lot of them because of

the 25th of contracts out on his life by various gangsters on the Australian mainland.

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