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The Disappearing Spoon: a science history podcast with Sam Kean

Chocolate Cake & Atomic Bombs

The Disappearing Spoon: a science history podcast with Sam Kean

Sam Kean

History, Arts, Science, Books

4.01.3K Ratings

🗓️ 1 August 2020

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

A story for the 75th anniversary of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs: How a now-forgotten teahouse in Los Alamos and its unlikely owners—the spitfire Edith Warner and the Pueblo builder Tilano Montoya—influenced Robert Oppenheimer and changed the face of the whole Manhattan Project... For more on Sam's New York Times-bestselling books, see http://samkean.com Help keep this podcast going by becoming a patron for as little as $2 a month, at https://www.patreon.com/disappearingspoon See bonus material and hear bonus episodes at https://www.patreon.com/disappearingspoon Follow Sam on Twitter at https://twitter.com/sam_kean ... on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/SamKeanBooks ... or on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/historyschmistory/ Above all, thanks for listening! Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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0:00.0

Edith Warner was facing ruin. Her pride and joy, her beloved tea room was going bankrupt.

0:09.9

It was all World War II's fault. It was hard enough getting people to visit a tea room way out

0:15.8

amid the tumbleweeds of New Mexico. Locals had actually laughed at her when she'd opened it.

0:21.6

What was this woman thinking? Then the war hit and gasoline

0:26.2

rationing killed travel. The trickle of tourists dried up like a summer creek in the desert.

0:32.5

And after years of getting by, Edith realized she had to shut down.

0:37.5

Until...

0:40.5

An unexpected guest arrived. A man named Robert. A thin guy, chain smoker. He was a scientist out in California, but he loved the desert highlands, and he came back year after year to see Edith and get a slice of her famous chocolate cake.

1:02.0

But she would have to break the news to him. This would be his last

1:07.4

visit. Except Robert had some news of his own. You're staying open, he told her.

1:15.0

How? she asked.

1:19.0

It's in the interest of national security, he explained.

1:22.0

In fact, you're about to be busier than ever.

1:25.0

National Security?

1:28.0

What on earth?

1:30.0

But if Robert promised to save her tea room, he also told Edith that her world was about to change, and not necessarily for the better.

1:39.0

You see, Robert was Robert Oppenheimer, head of the Manhattan Project's top secret weapons lab, had nearby Los Alamos.

1:48.1

And although he couldn't tell Edith, he was about to build the world's first atomic bomb, more or less, in her backyard. Hi, I'm Sam Keene, and you're listening to the disappearing spoon a topsy-Turvy

2:15.0

sciencey history podcast where footnotes become the real story. Edith Warner grew up as the daughter of a Baptist minister in Pennsylvania. She had hooded eyes and wore jangly bracelets and

2:35.8

favored red clothing. Someone once described her as being quote as thin as a reed by a

2:41.6

salt marsh. In Pennsylvania she taught school in a one-room school

2:46.4

house and absolutely hated it. It was too cloistered, too monotonous.

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