The closer you are to the machine god, the more its voice whispers in your ear, right?

That's right. Yeah, I don't think the Beijing is an AGI pill. Kyle Chan, welcome to interesting times.

Great to be here.

So at the moment, there are really only two countries that matter for the AI future,

the United States and China.

Their leaders are meeting in Beijing, and the atmosphere is

sort of similar to a kind of Cold War atmosphere where people think and argue and talk about them

being in a kind of arms race. We're leading China. We're leading China by a lot. China knows that. I think at the moment,

China is winning. There's no second place. It's either going to be the United States or China.

You are an expert on China and AI, and we're going to talk about that race. Who's winning, what winning

even means, whether it even makes sense to talk about the U.S. and China in terms of a race.

But I wanted to start with a basic question.

How is China's current approach to AI different from the American approach?

It's quite different.

So in the U.S.

There's a particular focus on AGI, artificial general intelligence, and to create something approaching an artificial superintelligence, some kind of almost machine god that can do virtually everything that any human can do, at least on a computer.

And more. And more. That's right.

You want to get more, right?

That's the super part.

Absolutely.

And you can see that the amount of spending, the amount of investment, the amount of effort,

that the American big tech companies and their, you know, quote unquote, start-ups like Open

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