China-Australia Relations and What the U.S. Should Do About It
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 14 December 2020
⏱️ 71 minutes
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Summary
In the first part of this episode, Jordan Schneider, the host of ChinaTalk, sat down with Yun Jiang, a former Australian government official and an editor at the Australian National University's China Story blog, for a deep dive into the Australia-China relationship, providing much needed context on why tension has boiled over in recent months. In the second part, we excerpt a conversation that Jordan had with Wendy Cutler, a long-time USTR official and current vice president and managing director of the Asia Society Policy Institute. They talked about how the Biden administration could address China on trade, and she offers her take on Yun and Jordan's policy proposals for shoring up Australia.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:31.6 | Australia has been put into a deep freeze as people have said. |
| 0:39.2 | It was difficult for Australian ministers to get meetings with Chinese counterparts. |
| 0:47.4 | China has already lost Australia. |
| 0:49.5 | It basically doesn't really make any effort in improving the relationship anymore. |
| 0:55.3 | So maybe perhaps what it is doing is using Australia as an example for other countries. |
| 1:01.5 | It didn't start with Australia. |
| 1:04.4 | We've seen it with Korea. |
| 1:06.0 | We've seen it with Japan on Rare Earths. |
| 1:07.6 | We've seen it with Philippines on bananas. |
| 1:10.1 | But the Australia moves are just, they seem to be escalating. |
| 1:13.5 | No end seems to be inside. |
| 1:16.2 | And frankly, I don't think it's going to end with Australia if there is not an international |
| 1:21.1 | response. |
| 1:22.1 | But what is China conclude then? |
| 1:25.6 | Basically, they have the market power to do this and it's cost-free. |
| 1:28.5 | So the message to other countries is don't criticize us because we'll hit your products |
| 1:33.4 | next. |
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