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Please welcome, Chima Mandangosi Aditi.

Welcome to the show. Thank you.

I'm so excited to have you here because I've been a fan of your work for a long time.

I've been a fan of your words for a long time.

I have to ask you before we get into the book.

As a person who is considered as one of the most foremost feminists of our time,

why is it that so many people see the word feminist as a negative thing?

Because I think that feminism has long been associated with the most extreme versions of it.

So people think a feminist is sort of a crazy woman who hits men and doesn't shave and...

...cray.

So all of these really crazy negative stereotypes have been attached to feminism

and so people don't want to associate with it.

The people who've said to me, why do you call yourself feminists?

Why do you just say you're a humanist or an equalist?

But that is what feminism is.

Right.

Feminism is about justice for everyone.

You have to name your problem.

And the problem is it's women who've been excluded, so we need to call it what it is.

Wow. That's fascinating because that's...

In many ways... In many ways, that's the same thing people say about Black Lives Matter,

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