This is LBC from Global, leading Britain's conversation with James O'Brien.

Three minutes after ten is the time. You are, you lucky people, listening to James O'Brien on LBC.

And I will begin by asking you a question that I once posed to Donald Trump's pal Roger Stone.

Because you wonder how these things happen.

And I think the answer is actually sometimes complacency or exhaustion.

You are being lied to on a scale that I don't think we have seen before in the Western world in living memory.

You have a prime minister claiming that a bill was blocked in Parliament that was actually passed. You have a Prime Minister claiming that a bill was blocked in Parliament that was

actually passed. You have a Home Secretary claiming that freedom of movement is somehow linked

to terrorism or that Brexit will somehow allow us to do things that we're perfectly capable

of doing today. And you have a President of the United States. The phrase the free world still sticks in my craw

actually because he's just lied again. And on a scale that if your children did it, you'd have that sort of sense of incredulity.

You know the one that goes, you remember when we talked about it a couple of weeks ago. I can't remember in what context it was. You're covered in chocolate. Everyone's got a story like this from their childhood. Mine actually involved pick your own strawberries in Chatterasley Corbett, where I was literally dripping with strawberry juice. And the farmer, jokingly, because obviously mum and dad were in on the joke,

said, have you eaten any strawberries? And I went, no, sir. No, I haven't eaten a single strawberry. And I was dripping with the stuff. My t-shirt had changed colour. It looked like it had been put in the wash with a red sock. And he's just done it again. We'll dig out the clip, actually, of him claiming to have predicted the Brexit result,

despite the established fact that he... He's just done it again. We'll dig out the clip, actually, of him claiming to have predicted the Brexit result,

despite the established fact that he wasn't there on the day that the result came in.

And, you know, don't take this the wrong way, but there's a temptation to walk away, or at least to look away. I think that's

what they bank on. You remember that call? And I know I refer to it a lot. I should look up,

Steve, his name was, see how he's getting on. I like being lied to by Donald Trump because it

winds up people like you. And that's how it works. I never understood the phrase culture war before that call came. I didn't really

understand what it meant. But it means that on that side of life, you have people who literally don't

care about anything except upsetting what they see as the other side. But I don't know what the other side is.

For me, at least, caring about people,

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