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I'm Mike Pascahosa, the gist. It's a daily show about news and culture and whatever flitz

across my consciousness. It's good. It's funny. You'll like it.

So recently we had a series of conversations with Ford

and University criminologist John Faff.

The issue was mass incarceration and how reforms just not that easy

at some point we're going to have to start asking how we're going to treat

violent offenders differently and no one is really talking about that at all.

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Hello, welcome to another episode of The Weeds,

Vox's policy podcast on the panoply network.

A Matthew Glacias with me is usual. My colleague Sarah Cliff and Ezra Klein.

Back. Ezra is back. We had some complaints about the sound levels on

last week's episode. So we're going to try to speak directly into our microphones and we also

fire Dylan. So you know there will be no more problems like that.

Self critique session got gotten tense.

We've got a great show for you today. We're going to spice things up a little bit by

substituting a data set of the week instead of a white paper of the week.

Anarchy here. It's amazing.

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