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Child Poverty, School Inequality and a Second Wave

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BBC

News Commentary, Science, Mathematics, News

4.63.7K Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2020

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

As lockdown eases, why hasn't there been a spike in infections? We get a first look at the evidence for the much-trumpeted Covid-19 treatment, Dexamethasone. Stephanie Flanders tells us what’s happening to the UK economy. Keir Starmer says child poverty is up; Boris Johnson says it’s down, who's right? Plus which children are getting a solid home-school experience, and who is missing out?

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0:00.0

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0:04.7

Hello and welcome to more or less the show that's determined to get the R number for Suspects

0:11.2

Statistics well below one. I'm Tim Harford and this week we get a first look at the evidence

0:17.8

for the much-trumpeted Covid treatment dexamethasone. Which children are getting a solid home

0:23.6

school experience and who's falling through the educational cracks. And as various customer-facing

0:30.0

businesses start to reopen, what is happening to the economy and what might happen next?

0:35.6

Stephanie Flanders herself is on the case. But first it was the VE Day Street celebrations in

0:42.0

early May that in some places got a little bit too up close and personal. Then, later on that

0:47.7

month, the glorious Spring Bank holiday weather brought thousands of people out onto the beaches.

0:53.4

A short time after that, the Black Lives Matter protests filled the streets of cities such as

0:58.8

Bristol, Oxford and London. The health secretary Matt Hancock warned that gathering in large groups

1:06.4

risked spreading the virus. But we've waited, we've watched the data, and no spike has appeared.

1:14.3

So why is that we wondered? Ruth Alexander has been looking into this, hello Ruth.

1:19.1

Hi Tim, yet it seems kind of surprising that there's been no spike in the national or local data.

1:24.7

But I've consulted various experts and they confirmed that indeed so far the hasn't.

1:29.9

A senior research fellow at Sheffield School of Health, Colin Angus, pointed out that there have

1:34.8

been a few small spikes in cases in a few local authorities in the last couple of weeks.

1:40.0

But there's no obvious pattern to these, he says, that links to either the protests or crowded

1:46.1

beaches. There is a caveat though that local data only includes the results of the testing of

1:50.7

NHS staff and hospital patients, so not the wider community. But Colin Angus says you'd expect to see

1:56.9

a spike in positive tests in the community reflected in an increase in hospital cases.

2:02.5

So why haven't these gatherings, in some cases mass gatherings, resulted in a noticeable increase

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