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The other day I was walking on Hat and Garden and this guy came between me and goes,

Oh, Chiefer, you inspired me to do this. And I'm telling you, it made my day. Because when I got

into the industry, there was nobody,

there was no black people in jewellery.

I didn't have no one to talk to.

No role model.

Yeah, nothing.

But now I'm giving kids advice,

like, how do I start?

What should I do?

And there's loads of black jewelers now,

which that never existed before.

Welcome to If Jewels Could Talk.

I'm Carol Walton, the voice of jewellery, an author, broadcaster, and the woman who initiated the role of Jewelry Editor at magazines like Taffler and British Vogue.

This is a podcast for everyone.

For people who do like jewellery, for people who don't realise they like jewellery,

and anyone intrigued by fascinating facts, new ideas, and forgotten histories.

So please join me as I tell sparkly tales,

meeting all sorts of people delving into four centuries of jewellery culture

and investigate what's happening now.

Today I'm talking with Chiefer Decipher. We are going to talk about Chifa's Garnanian heritage,

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