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The Lawfare Podcast

Chatter: Pluralism and Religion within Democratic Institutions with Jonathan Rauch

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🗓️ 5 October 2023

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

This week on Chatter, Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Ben Wittes sat down with author and journalist Jonathan Rauch, of the Brookings Institution. In a wide-ranging conversation, they spoke about Jonathan's numerous books, his start in journalism, and his focus on liberalism, Madisonian Pluralism, and religion within democratic institutions.


Chatter is a production of Lawfare and Goat Rodeo. This episode was produced and edited by Cara Shillenn of Goat Rodeo. Podcast theme by David Priess, featuring music created using Groovepad.

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This week on chatter, Jonathan Roush of the Brookings Institution, author, public intellectual,

0:43.7

student of liberalism and democratic institutions, and all around interesting guy.

0:50.7

The reason for this work, well one reason is that I've always been curious about religion,

0:59.1

being an atheistic homosexual Jew. There is no shortage of people in the of

1:06.9

Latter-day Saints who would like the church to be more proactively hardcore on culture issues.

1:12.5

And by the way, there's also no shortage of people who are leaving the church because

1:16.8

they think it's too conservative, especially among the young.

1:21.9

I think there's a model in Utah for a conservative Christianity that is committed to Madisonian

1:30.6

style pluralism. It's not the first place you would expect to look, but there it is, and

1:35.0

we have both liberals and Christians, I think, have a ton to learn.

1:40.1

Mr. Jonathan Roush, I want to start with how we should think about the major unifying

1:54.1

themes of your career. You haven't know there were any.

1:59.3

Well, maybe the answer is there are not. You've written about happiness, you've written

2:05.3

about, I'm just thinking of books here, about speech and enforcement of

2:13.1

illiberal attitudes by both right and left. You've written about the history of

2:21.7

gay liberation movements. What are the things that bind the Roush

2:29.4

over together? Well, first of all, thank you for being, for having me join you today

2:38.3

in, I guess, the jungle studio. This is the deforested jungle studio. It used to be

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