I think we discussed it last time the per capita issue.

It is incontestable.

No, I understand the per capita, yeah.

Why don't you like doing debate?

There is nothing that I could ever share with Dr. Mate

that would ever alter his opinions, and therefore it's a futile exercise.

I mean, just full disclosure, Gabon Matte is listening to this debate.

Gabour Maté is a Holocaust survivor in that when he was six months old, he was passed on to another family to be protected.

I too am a Holocaust survivor because I was a spermatozoa in my dad's testicles in the 1940s.

He's never read my work, he doesn't understand it. So if he says I got no authority, I got no support, I have no credibility, he just doesn't know what he's talking about. This is a good reason he doesn't want to debate with me because he couldn't. He keeps doing this. He talked about, he gave a talk in Tel Aviv, where he mentioned me, he gave a talk in Montreal. Recently, when he mentioned me, he's got some kind of a fixation.

Suicidal empathy is a concept which has been amplified by many notable and opinionated public figures,

including Elon Musk, Mark Anderson, and Bill Ackman. Lucy speaking is the idea that misdirected compassion and moral virtue leads to irrational judgment on

matters like mass migration. The suicide part, they argue, applies to nothing less than Western

civilization. The idea as many critics say it sounds a lot like an excuse for not having

any compassion when the issues don't align with your own politics. Professor Gad's sad,

presumably disagrees with that. He came up with the idea, and it's a title of his

brand-new book. Well, joining me now is indeed an evolutionary behavioral scientist and scholar at

University of Mississippi. Gad-Sat. Welcome back to Unsense. Thank you so much for having me,

Pierce. Suicidal empathy, just in simple terms, just lay out what you think the issue is here and why it's such a big problem.

Right. So empathy is a wonderful virtue to possess. We are a social species. So for you and I, Pierce, to have a meaningful conversation, I need to put myself in

your mind and vice versa. That's called cognitive empathy or theory of mind. So certainly as an

evolutionary psychologist, I'm not arguing that empathy is a bad thing. But like Aristotle explained to

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