Hi friends, as I mentioned, this is a bonus episode with my conversation with Lily Knighton,

a Canadian forensic psychologist who's worked in Australia and is currently based in New York City.

I had a bunch of questions after covering William Fife and since I'm a rank amateur, I wanted to speak with a qualified professional.

There's approximate timestamps and the show notes with the list of questions, and please

excuse some of the digital noises that you'll hear.

Hi, Lily.

How are you?

I'm good, Christy.

How are you?

I'm good, thank you.

Before we started, I wanted to know if you would be willing to tell my

listeners a little bit about your background because it's super, super interesting and it involves

like three different countries and a few serial killers. So yeah. Sure, I'd love to. My interest in forensic psychology started at a young age. I grew up in

Toronto, Canada, at the same time that Paul Bernardo was the Scarborough rapist. And in my high school,

we had to take self-defense classes instead of normal gym to protect ourselves in case we were the next victim.

That sparked an interest in me, especially when the young women started going missing on the other side of Toronto because they were about my age. And I always wanted to know

what happened, who could do this to them. When I was in college, I came back to Toronto to sit in

on the Paul Bernardo trial for a day. I studied psychology in university, and after university, I moved to Perth, Australia, to study forensic

psychology there.

And while I was there, there was another serial killer in Perth at the time. The Claremont killer,

who we now know is Bradley Edwards. So that was just two serial killers in my life growing up.

And from there, I was on contract with the Ministry of Justice at the time. Now it's called the Department

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