Welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, furious that Billy Eilish has never heard of Van Halen

or else, a scrappy upstart, whose uncle is furious that you've never heard of Warrant,

this is your show.

Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most.

An ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody.

It's the last Friday of 2019, or is it? Or did I just gaslight you because the show is about a week late, because the holidays happened, and then something called the adenovirus happened to my family. And my house was basically a triage center for the last week. I don't know. Could either be the last

Friday of 2019 or it could be me gaslighting you. I'll let you do your own sleuthing there.

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