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Charlie Sykes on the "Little Platoons" that Humbled Trump

The Gist

Peach Fish Productions

Daily News, News

4.53.7K Ratings

🗓️ 31 January 2026

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Today on the Saturday show, Mike shares a conversation he had with Charlie Sykes, former host of The Bulwark and current host of the new podcast To the Contrary. They discuss how ordinary citizens with cell phones in Minneapolis became Donald Trump's kryptonite, exposing the chaos of his immigration enforcement strategy and forcing a rare retreat from the administration. Charlie and Mike break down why the "chaos as a ladder" theory backfired, why ICE's brutality is finally breaking through to the "normies," and whether Republicans in Congress will ever rediscover their spines and reclaim their Article I powers. Produced by Corey Wara Coordinated by Lya Yanne Video and Social Media by Geoff Craig Do you have questions or comments, or just want to say hello? Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠thegist@mikepesca.com For full Pesca content and updates, check out our website at https://www.mikepesca.com/⁠ For ad-free content or to become a Pesca Plus subscriber, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://subscribe.mikepesca.com/ For Mike's daily takes on Substack, subscribe to The Gist List https://mikepesca.substack.com/ Follow us on Social Media:⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4_bh0wHgk2YfpKf4rg40_g⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/pescagist/ X https://x.com/pescami TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@pescagist To advertise on the show, contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠ad-sales@libsyn.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ or visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://advertising.libsyn.com/TheGist

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0:00.0

Hi, it's Mike. It's Saturday. It's the Saturday show. And this Saturday I'm going to bring you a

0:10.2

conversation I had with Charlie Sykes on his show, the new show that he's been doing since he left

0:16.8

the bulwark. It is called, To the Contrary. I love Charlie Sykes when he was the regular host of the bulwark. I knew of him to the contrary. I love Charlie Sykes when he was the regular

0:21.4

host of the bulwark. I knew of him and did some MSNBC with him beforehand. He was, he's a real

0:27.1

Republican, and he was an important player in Wisconsin broadcasting and politics. And he

0:32.7

early on talked about some of the postcards from the fringe that a lot of the Republican establishment

0:39.2

dismissed that was a that portended what we got with Donald Trump and Sykes has been on it

0:46.2

and I was on his show. So I'll play not all of that. You could go to his substack and here we go.

0:52.3

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