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journalism. Hello, I'm Matt Kelly. And I'm Matt Dancona. And this is the Two Matt's podcast brought to you by

the new European newspaper. Who did we speak to this week, Matt? Charlie Mullins. He was good,

wasn't he? He was more good. He was Charlie Mullins. He is, well, he's the, I suppose best known as founder of Pimlico Plumbers,

but now building a new business and has had lots of political activity,

been a Remainer, but now joined reform.

Great story.

Amazing biography, personal life.

Yes.

He's come from, you know, working at nine to being a hugely wealthy man it's a great

story impossible to describe how rotten his at the beginning of charlie's life was you know

they had nothing but he's made this incredible business extraordinary life extraordinary business

and he's full of vehement insight and it was a really enjoyable interview.

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