This is the reason interview with Nickillespie. My guest today is Charles Gasparino,

senior correspondent for the Fox Business Network and a columnist for the New York Post.

He's also the author of the new book, Go Woke, Go Broke, the inside story of the radicalization

of corporate America. Gasparino analyzes major missteps by companies such as Anheiser

Bush, Target, and Disney, and he explores how top CEOs and management became entranced by

things like stakeholder capitalism, DEI programs, and ESG plans to the detriment of customer

satisfaction, public relations, and the bottom line.

Four years out from COVID and the death of George Floyd, we talk about whether we're past peak woke

and why he views people like Ed Renzi, the former head of McDonald's, as models for how businesses can make profits while being socially

responsible. And we discuss how the 2024 election will impact the economy. Here is the reason

interview with Charles Gasparina. Charles Gasparino. Charles Gasparino. Thanks for talking to Reason.

Anytime. My pleasure.

Just so you know, this is like a high watermark for me.

I actually read Reason. I know some people might say they do, but I actually read and I listen to your podcasts, too.

That is called your work in the refs before we even begin.

But on page 75 of GoWoke, Go Broke, you say how a bunch of rich dudes became obsessed with the most leftist and radical interpretation of current events

is really the central question I try to answer and go woke, go broke. Let's unpack that a

little bit. What are you talking about when you know, when you talk about wokeness in the

in the C-suite in America? Well, I mean, the current iteration is the sort of the manifestation of all that occurred

before.

I know I'm starting to sound like Kamala Harris there.

We are burdened by the past, whether it is undone or done.

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