Don't hold anything too tightly. Just wish for it, want it, let it come from the

intention of real truth for you, and then let it go. For me our soul is like it's

unbound, it's limitless, but we will use words to limit ourselves. When people

stop believing that somebody's got your back or Superman's coming we turn to

ourselves and that's where you become empowered. Courageous participation attracts

positive things. I'm Gwyneth Paltrow. This is the Goop podcast, bringing together

thought leaders, culture changers, creatives, founders and CEOs, scientists,

doctors, healers and seekers. Here to start conversations because simply asking

questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world. Today is

no exception. I'll let Elise fill you in on her extraordinary guest and I'll come back

after their conversation to answer a question from one of you. If you have a question

you'd like me to get into in our next round of Ask Me Anything send it to us at Goop on Instagram

or Facebook. All right, over to Elise. Rick Doblin is the founder and executive director

of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. In other words,

he's the guy that started Maps and I have wanted to interview him for a long time.

Badly. Today with Rick we're talking about the regulation of medical uses of psychedelics and therapy.

This topic is seriously fascinating to me. I talked to Rick about how MDMA therapy works

and how it can potentially help people to view painful and fear-based memories in a more

self-reflective way which in turn can help people work through trauma. But Rick will explain

that much better than I can in our conversation. Our goal is to help people have these

psychedelic experiences as few times as possible so that then they can integrate the experiences

without drugs and learn other ways to modulate traumatic experiences or thoughts.

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