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Welcome to The Dave Chang Show, part of the Ringer podcast network, and presented by Major

Domo Media.

Today's show is a little bit of a change of pace.

My guest today is Kevin Clark, the Ringer's NFL writer.

We're going to discuss the parallels between football and cooking, crazy I know, specifically

about the roadblock of orthodoxy that stands between progressive ideas and putting it into

practice.

This is something I'm really passionate about as it pertains to all parts of culture,

as revolutionary change is often stifled due to negligible or even counterfactual narratives.

We recorded this several weeks ago, so if it doesn't reference more recent events in

the NFL season, that's why.

But it's more of a broad conversation regarding the innovation of the sport as it correlates

to culinary arts.

And there are a lot of sort of esoteric comments here and ideas and food and also in the NFL

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