Welcome to Off Message. I'm Isaac Dover.

Today's guests, Chad Griffin and Paula Vogel.

Griffin is the president of the Human Rights Campaign, the biggest LGBTQ advocacy organization of the country,

and Vogel is a playwright whose hit play indecent is up for best play at the Tonys this weekend.

Here's how they fit together in the midst of Pride Month.

Griffin is a committed Democrat. He worked for Bill Clinton, was a regular presence at the White House under Obama,

spoke at the Democratic Convention for Hillary Clinton.

But this weekend, he'll be part of the major pride marches that are going to be in large

part about protesting Donald Trump.

His message to the president and to the president's daughter Ivanka is something we got into.

He called Ivanka Trump's tweet last week on Gay Pride Month shocking and a PR attempt to try

to show this president as perhaps being a bit more compassionate than he actually is.

He's angry about the White House's record so far and worried about where it might lead.

He also got into what he'd say to her and to other members of the Trump administration

and his warning to people to not be used by the White House, which he thinks is a real possibility.

And then the lessons that he thinks people who are opposed to

President Trump can learn from the success of the gay rights movement. Come together and come out.

There's nothing that changes a voter's mind better than hearing why this president is hurting me

and hurting our community, Griffin said. You'll also hear his message to younger LGBTQ people,

trying to sort out how, what the things he's mad about mean to them. Then there's Vogel. Her play

indecent centers on the story behind a play featuring a lesbian kiss that was a major hit of the

Yiddish theater and beyond all over Europe in the 1920s.

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