There's a reason I love today's conversation. It is with the founder of a platform that we probably all

use called LinkedIn. And the guy that made that platform is Reid Hoffman. The reality of running a

small business is that switching off is never really an option. Even when you try the ideas,

the excitement and all the responsibility is always there. And because you're always switched on,

it's only fair that

your hiring partner should be too. LinkedIn Jobs, who are the sponsor of this moment's episode,

has been that hiring partner for me and for years, because it's always working away in the

background. My team can post our jobs for free, share them with our networks, and reach top

talent all in the same place. So let's get into today's

conversation. On all these great people you've worked with, specifically, you know, during that

PayPal period of your life, one of the things I was reflecting on is they're all independently

successful people, but they're all very different people. And that in and of itself is evidence that there's not one version of success.

There's many different types of success.

Presumably there's many different types of entrepreneur, leader.

Yes.

Give me a flavor of the different types of entrepreneurs you've worked with.

And what, you know, because I sat with Walter Isaacson, and he talked to me about Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, etc. And he was like, Steve's really great at hiring people. Elon's not as good at the people team building part, but he's better at this part. Yes. So no entrepreneur wins at every game.

Mm-hmm.

Generally speaking, as an entrepreneur, you should try to play the games that you have a massive competitive edge on. Same thing is true. So some people, for example, like take a Neil Busreate work day, right? He is thoughtful, intentionally cultural building, very professional. So it's a

HR product for work. His contrarian idea was going to the cloud and that people were going to do

cloud software. For the first, I think it was 500 people that workday hired, he would always do a cultural interview at the end

because to make sure that the first 500 people all kind of shared cultural things.

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