I won't tell you that it's gonna be okay.

I won't tell you that it's going to be okay.

Welcome to another episode of Bakari Sellers podcast.

Today we have an extraordinary brother, none other than Justin Richmond.

We were just talking about how complicated the issue of

races and me accidentally calling Nicky Haley who is a woman of color a white

Southern governor and I made the New York post over that because it's complicated.

Justin, what's going on man? How you feeling?

Man, I'm doing I'm feeling great man. I'm feeling great man.

It's always fun to wake up and check in on political and see a little controversy like that,

you know, reminds me that we've come far but not all that far, you know, it's always

going to be complicated and Always going to be complicated.

But I mean, people have to begin to have these discussions,

which is why you're here, because you are somebody who helps usher these discussions around.

We start each one of our shows by having our guests walkers through the arc of their careers and you've had a very career in

journalism and podcasting so take us through the arc of your career from your first job working with

none other than Tavis Smiley to your work now with Pushkin and the Broken Record Podcast.

Yeah, man, that was, yeah, that was my introduction to really, you know, when I was in, when I was in in college, I went in thinking, you know, I'm looking

my bachelors, get a PhD, I think after and teach, right?

And then I started doing some student work

in the different academic departments

and realized like, you know, hmm,

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