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Caves And Climate, Environmental Archeology, Scanning The Past. Nov 23, 2018, Part 2

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🗓️ 23 November 2018

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

When you think of an archaeologist, you might imagine a scientist in the field wielding shovels and pickaxes, screening through dirt to uncover artifacts and structures buried deep in the ground. But what about those areas that you can’t reach or even see? That’s when you call archaeologist Lori Collins from the University of South Florida. Collins uses LIDAR—a detection system that uses lasers—to map out the cracks and details of a prehistoric cat sculpture created by the Calusa people, sinkholes that pop up in Florida, and even a former NASA launch pad. She talks how this technology can preserve these archaeological finds in the face of climate change, natural disaster, and war. When archaeologists unearth past societies, the story of those people is written in human remains and artifacts. But it’s also written in environmental remains: bones of animals, preserved plants, and even the rocks around them. Kitty Emery and Nicole Cannarozzi, both environmental archaeologists at the Florida Museum, lead an onstage expedition through the earliest known domestication of turkeys in Guatemala and Mexico, the 4,000-year-old shell middens of indigenous people of coastal Southeast United States, and even sites that could tell us more about the African American diaspora and the lives of slaves mere hundreds of years ago. Plus, the two archaeologists tell us how understanding the environmental choices of past people can lead to better insight into ourselves. Sea level rise and fall over hundreds of thousands of years. Ancient vegetation. The diets of early human ancestors and the temperatures they lived in. Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and how it changed over time. All of these are data sought by paleoclimatologists, who study the prevailing climate during times past. And the clues of this data are buried in the rock formations of caves around the world. Paleoclimatologist and cave researcher Bogdan Onac of the University of South Florida travels from New Mexico to Romania to Spain to find the stories hidden in millenia-old cave ice, bat guano, and rock formations. He joins Ira to tell tales from the trail.

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0:00.0

This is Science Friday. I'm Ira Flato coming to you from Tampa Theater in Tampa, Florida.

0:06.1

Unless you're claustrophobic or afraid of the dark, a cave can be a wonderful place for science.

0:12.8

They're natural traps for atmospheric and hydrologic processes.

0:17.1

Water drips and minerals precipitate into stalactites and other formations,

0:21.6

or water freezes and gases from the atmosphere remain trapped,

0:26.6

or even bats leave deposits of guano in the same place over thousands of years.

0:32.6

All of these are clues about the climate of our planet, thousands or even hundreds of thousands of years ago,

0:41.5

and my first guest has roamed the world crawling and even swimming through caves to collect these clues.

0:49.8

Giant ice sheets in Romania, lava tubes in New Mexico, and in the Mediterranean island

0:56.0

of Mayorka, ocean flooded caves that hold the keys to how sea levels have risen and fallen

1:02.0

over the past 100,000 years. So I want you to welcome Bogdan Onak, a professor in the School

1:10.0

of Geosciences at the University of South Florida in Tampa. Welcome Bogdan O'Nock, a professor in the School of Geosciences at the University of South

1:12.6

Florida in Tampa.

1:14.1

Welcome, Bogdan.

1:16.4

Thank you for having me.

1:21.4

Bogdan, how can caves tell us about past sea waves?

1:25.5

The clue to the past sea level was back in 1970s when some colleagues from Majorca

1:33.1

caving, exploring caves, they noticed that there are some bands of minerals, a different color

1:38.7

that are very nicely aligned and you can follow them the entire cave.

1:42.3

And say, well, what's a minute? What's going on here?

1:44.9

And then at that time, they just thought, well, that's a deposit, a mineral deposit,

1:50.2

exactly like when you have a lake that stays there for a long time.

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