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California Fires, Fire Engineering, Flu Near You. Nov 16, 2018, Part 1

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Life Sciences, Natural Sciences, Wnyc, Friday, Science

4.46.3K Ratings

🗓️ 16 November 2018

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

When wildfires strike, the conversation typically centers around natural factors: forest management, climate change, or hot dry winds that fan the flames. But there’s another important factor in wildfire risk: what humans build. Not just where we build, adjacent to flammable landscapes, but how we build it. Fire historian Stephen Pyne joins us to talk about what we might learn from the way we build in big city centers, where we’ve been largely successful at stamping out big blazes, and Sascha von Meier of UC Berkeley tells us a few ways power companies might fortify the grid to avoid sparking fires. And could California use more planned burns to prevent forest fires? Molly Peterson of KQED tells us more. Plus: Flu season has already begun, and Science Friday is teaming up with Flu Near You to recruit a national team of everyday citizens to build a real-time map of the rise and fall of influenza-like-illness in the United States. It’s as simple as reporting how you feel each week. Science Friday education director Ariel Zych and Flu Near You co-founder John Brownstein of Boston Children’s Hospital kick off the project with information and some of the trends they’ll be tracking throughout the season, and biologist Matt Smith tells about the dangers of flu season for people living with cystic fibrosis. Plus, Annalee Newitz joins Ira to tell us the latest science news in the News Round-up.

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0:00.0

This is Science Friday. I'm Ira Flato, broadcasting today from the studios of WUSF at the University of South Florida in Tampa.

0:09.3

Okay, you've seen the horror movie, right? The bad guy is over there. The protagonists are hiding and waiting, and they whisper, be quiet. He'll hear you.

0:20.2

Okay, the bad guy leaves.

0:22.0

And when they hear, oh, so then they make their quick getaway.

0:25.1

It's called displaced reference, being able to talk about something that is not actually right where you are.

0:32.0

And it turns out it is not just a human thing.

0:35.3

Researchers report this week in the journal Science Advances that orangutans can do a very similar thing.

0:41.7

Here to tell us more about that and other selected short subjects in sciences.

0:46.1

Annali Newitz, science journalist and author based in San Francisco.

0:50.2

Welcome back.

0:51.3

Hey, thanks for having me.

0:52.3

So what did the researchers actually see the orangs do?

0:57.1

So the best part about this study is how they did their research, because they wanted to see if orangutans would talk about danger, not talk about, but communicate about danger that wasn't there.

1:11.5

So the researchers found some sheets that were patterned like tigers and other cat fur

1:20.9

that was associated with predators in the orangutan's habitat in Sumatra.

1:27.2

And they walked on all fours underneath the trees where the orangutans habitat in Sumatra, and they walked on all fours underneath the trees

1:30.8

where the orangutans were, put the sheet over them, and basically pretended to be tigers.

1:37.0

And what they found was that the orangutans, which most of them were mothers with babies,

1:42.4

would completely become silent during that time.

1:45.9

But then, about 20 minutes later, after the scientist wrapped in a sheet was gone, then they would issue distress calls and warning calls.

1:54.0

So it was a very clear example of an animal other than a human talking about something that wasn't within their immediate frame of reference.

2:03.1

And researchers say this is very significant.

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