It was not some blinky light or some blurry object clear up in the sky.

It was right there, clear as day.

How can I help? How can I be useful in ending needless suffering?

Do not be afraid of work that has no end.

We have to organize a social movement.

We have an opportunity to lead, by example, versus just talking, hot air.

I think the more people in this fight, the more we grow, eventually it could change.

The people are the ones that can make the change.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.

Hope you're ready for another episode of Change Agents,

an Ironclad original presented by Firecracker Farm.

Now, let's dive in.

How did you get into all this stuff?

I mean, I know we're going to talk about Skinwalker Ranch and all of this.

And honestly, it'll probably help.

Maybe if you can paint with, with this broad of a brush if you want to, maybe your interest in this, your involvement.

We'll talk about Skin Walker Ranch and kind of work going on there in the history of that.

I'll just kind of turn it over to you.

If you could just kind of create the universe for us, if you will, no pun intended, about what we were just talking about, but just the ecosystem that you're operating in.

You bet. Well, I entered this field of inquiry as a skeptic.

I actually believed that there was a natural prosaic explanation for the UFO phenomena and,

and frankly, the supernatural when I acquired the property. I acquired the property from the elusive billionaire Robert Bigelow back in 2016 and had no intention of ever going public with my ownership or having my name associated with any of these topics.

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