Greetings. I'm Michael Cannon, Director of Health Policy Studies at the Cato Institute, and I'm here with

Neil McCluskey, Director of the Center for Educational Freedom here at the Cato Institute.

And we're going to be talking today, maybe about a lot of topics in our area, but first and

foremost, who's got the harder

job? The guy who has to change the education institution, which everyone's thought should be

delivered by government since seemingly time immemorial, or the health care guy who I'll let him

give his own little skills. This will be a discussion, a version of an

argument that we've been having on and off for the 20-some years that we've both worked at Cato

together, which is whose area of public policy is more messed up, has the government wrecked more?

And it's a weird, almost sort of source of pride when we argue that

no, mine is the more messed up because it makes it look like our job, you know, my job is

harder than your job and that sort of thing. So, Neil, let me put it to you first. Why do you

think that education is the more messed up of these two sectors of the economy?

Why is government done more to wreck education than health care?

Well, the first thing I'll say is, as you noted, we've been doing this since, you know,

for like 20 years.

So I was 10 when we started doing this.

I think it's important for people to realize.

But the reason I have a harder job,

I always thought was fairly obvious,

but it requires a lot of repetition for people to understand.

Particularly me.

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