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Hello and welcome to Jesuitical, a podcast from America Media for saints and sinners.

You can join us each week for honest conversations about the Catholic Church and our world today,

often over drinks. I'm Ashley McKinless, and I'm joined by Zach Davis.

It's good to be with you. We've got a really important show this week. Really excited to share it with our listeners. It's tough to get through, but I think a timely topic, and I think a lot of people are going to be surprised to hear about

the church's response. Yeah, so I think the Trump administration's mass deportation campaign is

probably one of the biggest stories in our country and for our church today. And I think a lot of people have seen the major headlines, like Trump is sending National Guard to this city or that city and this governor's fighting back, or maybe they've seen really tense scenes of protesters clashing with ICE agents or police. But we wanted to kind of not step back,

but kind of step into it and see what it feels like day to day to be in a city like Chicago where

the Trump can, the Trump administration has really concentrated its deportation efforts.

Yeah. So this week we're talking to Father Brendan Curran, who is a

Dominican priest, also a community organizer in Chicago, and also serves for the Dominican order

as their promoter of justice and peace. So we're asking him about what he's seeing on the ground in

Chicago, how the church is responding to it, and why Catholics should care about what's going

on to begin with. Yeah. So that's a great conversation. But first, we have Signs of the Times, the part of our show, where we sit through the Catholic News of the Week, so you don't have to. What's our first story, Zach? So first two stories, communion-themed, I would say. and starting off with a discovery in Turkey.

We archaeologists have found a

1,200-year-old loaf of bread that had the image of Jesus, what's the word, abetted, embossed, carved into it?

What do you do to bread? Do you carve into bread? Yeah, I mean, you carve a pumpkin, you carve bread. Yeah. Bread was stale, the expert said. I have to admit, when I saw this headline in the New York Post, I was expecting to see, like, you know, when there's like a toast and it looks like Jesus or the Virgin Mary is there. I was expecting something like that. but then you click through. And this is actually,

they are loaves of bread that are, like you said, carved. Intentionally like drawn into the bread.

Because it's not only an image of Jesus Christ, there is an engraving that says, with our gratitude

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