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The Bulwark Podcast

Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

News, Politics, Society & Culture, News Commentary

4.611.6K Ratings

🗓️ 14 May 2026

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

The Chinese have long envied America's power, influence, and market share. But after Trump's failed trade war, his attacks on allies, and the embarrassment in Iran, the view from Beijing has shifted: It now sees us as a nation in decline. Plus, inflation is creeping back up, the stock market is out of whack, new Fed Chair Kevin Warsh is screwed, and the ag community is feeling the pain of Trump's policies. And for the view from the Democratic resistance, Rep. Garcia tells Tim that Dems are not finished with their own redistricting and that Gavin's greatest strength is his obsession with winning. And he says Dems are going to fight like hell to win the House so they can investigate the Trump family's corruption and the Epstein case—the single largest government cover-up in history.

Rep. Robert Garcia and Catherine Rampell join Tim Miller.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Bullard podcast.

0:14.4

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

0:15.6

We got a double header for you today.

0:17.1

In segment two, it is, I think, alongside Rocana, the other congressman who has been the most

0:23.8

effective in the opposition for the Democrats in the House this year. And that's Robert Garcia,

0:30.1

the ranking member of the Oversight Committee. So we've much to talk to him about. But first,

0:34.9

my colleague, my buddy, economics editor here at the Bullwark, she writes

0:38.4

the newsletter, Receits, which is published this evening, Thursday evenings. She also co-hosts

0:43.6

MSNows, the weekend prime time. It's Catherine Rampal. What's up, girl? Hey, good to see you.

0:49.5

Long time, no see. I know. We saw each other everybody yesterday at the Bullwark All Hands,

0:53.8

and I'm still

0:55.3

in the shit town in D.C. as you can see from my, my background here. I was wondering where you

1:01.0

were. Okay. So you haven't made it back. It's all the Bullwork books. I took down the Sarah Longwell

1:06.1

QR code that she wanted me to promote in my background. I'm like, this isn't, this isn't

1:12.7

QVC, okay? You should buy Sarah's book, but this isn't the QVC.

1:16.6

QVC is bankrupt, so one of the many Trump victims.

1:22.6

We got a lot of economics talk, and all China talk is at some level like all everything talk is at some

1:28.5

of economics talk it's I think that's Tyler Cohen but I want to talk a little bit about the

1:33.7

summit first Trump and all of our greatest CEOs and much of the cabinet all traveled to China to pay homage to the communist dictator Xi Jinping.

1:48.0

In their opening session, Trump said this, we have a fantastic relationship. I have such respect for

1:54.4

China, the job you've done. You're a great leader. I say it to everybody. You're a great leader.

2:00.5

The top CEOs are all here to pay

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