Brian Lair on WNYC, David Graham, Atlantic Magazine, National Politics, staff writer is with us.

As we approach the 100th day of the Trump administration next Tuesday, David has a new book called

The Project, How Project 2025 is Reshaping America. One thing David can boast, he read the whole thing,

which not many people can say about the 900-page blueprint for this second Trump term that they

hoped for that came out last year. And spoiler alert,

David broke out a piece of the book for an article in the Atlantic that says the top goal of

Project 2025 is still to come. So let's see what that is and how much he thinks they're already

reshaping America as the book subtitle says.

David, always good to have you. Welcome back to WNYC.

Thank you for having me. As you note, Project 2025 identifies four goals that their specific policies flow from. Would you like to recite the list? Yeah, the first one is to restore the family

as the heart of American life. I'm paraphrasing a little bit here. The second one is to secure borders and to, excuse me, to dismantle the deep state and return power to the people. The third one is to secure the borders and the bounty for America. And the fourth one is to restore the blessings

of liberty for all Americans. And before we get to that number one goal that you said may come

next for Trump and affect all American lives, what was it like Reading Project 2025

cover to cover? Some of our listeners may be wondering, you write that it was both more

radical and more interesting than you expected. What was that experience like? You know, I'd read

bits and pieces during the campaign when I was looking for specific policy questions on things,

but I hadn't read it all the way through. It is, I mean, it's just so systematic. It's not the kind

of wish list of policies that we see from think tanks and other political organizations. It is both a wish list of policies and a plan for achieving it. I think that plan is really radical. There's also just, you know, an interesting variety of facts. There are things in here that don't necessarily code as far right or far left or anything else. They're just agreements within the text.

So I think there's a lot of rich information to learn about the ideology driving the Republican

Party and the administration right now.

Did you avoid reading it before bed so you could get sleep or how did you read Project

2025 cover to cover?

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