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Gangster

Catching the Kingpins: 2. Threat to Life

Gangster

BBC

True Crime, Documentary, Society & Culture

4.81.4K Ratings

🗓️ 14 January 2024

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

It's April 2020, and the Metropolitan Police are overwhelmed with messages hacked from the EncroChat network.

Buried among the millions of texts and photographs, are the outlines of a murder plot. An anonymous EncroChat user is trying to source a gun and some ammunition for a drive by shooting.

Will the police discover the messages before it’s too late? And will they be willing to risk the secrecy of the entire EncroChat operation by arresting someone on EncroChat evidence alone?

Presenter: Mobeen Azhar Series Producer: Andrew Hosken Editor and Executive Producer: Innes Bowen

Catching the Kingpins is a BBC Studios Production for BBC Sounds.

Transcript

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0:00.0

You're about to listen to a BBC podcast and maybe it's when I had a hand in.

0:04.0

I'm Tammy Walker and I produce podcasts with a BBC.

0:07.4

My role is to give new and diverse creators a voice with the opportunity to build a career.

0:12.1

That's the thing I love about Podcast.

0:14.0

You start with just a good idea.

0:16.0

But then you have the space to see where it goes.

0:18.0

And doing that at the BBC means we can really run with the best stories

0:21.0

while developing the most unique audio talent.

0:24.0

So if you like what you hear, why not check out the huge range of

0:27.2

podcast we've got on BBC Sounds?

0:29.0

You're about to listen to Gangster Presents,

0:31.8

catching the kingpins. Epitolds will be released on Sundays wherever you get your

0:36.1

podcasts. But if you're in the UK, listen to the full series right now, first on BBC Sounds.

0:43.0

Okay. now first on BBC sounds. Okay, philosophical problem for you.

0:47.0

You've got secret information that someone is about to be killed.

0:52.0

You can intervene to save that person and be pretty sure

0:55.8

you'll save that person's life. But if you do this you'll expose the source of

1:01.6

your secret information and that's likely to put far more lives at risk.

1:07.0

So what do you do?

1:08.0

Do you save the person you know is at risk or do you go for saving more lives but letting this one person die.

1:17.0

The police have strict rules about what to do when faced with the choice of compromising a source or stopping a killing and in 2020 it was an issue that came up a lot

1:34.0

It's British to murder, firearms, serious violence. So we're talking about ordering up kidnaps and murder like you know,

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