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Casualties of History: "Held Down by Force"

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News, Politics, History

4.71.6K Ratings

🗓️ 30 July 2020

⏱️ 82 minutes

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Summary

In this episode we discuss Chapter 15, "Demagogues and Martyrs." The period immediately after peace in 1815 saw both a rapid rise in militancy and intense repression, such that an increasingly agitated and radicalized population had no organizational capacity to express its militancy. This gave rise to personalized leadership around individual demagogues and to an oscillation between insurrectionary and constitutionalist approaches. We also discuss the Peterloo massacre, which is narrated in this chapter, and Mike Leigh's recent film Peterloo on the subject.

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0:00.0

So this week we are back with chapter 14, sorry 15.

0:05.0

Good start game.

0:10.0

Yeah, thanks.

0:11.0

Demagogues and martyrs.

0:12.6

It's another of these very long chapters.

0:15.4

And we're here like squarely in the post-war,

0:18.6

post-1815 period. So Thompson begins the chapter, I think kind of dramatically.

0:37.0

The wars ended amidst riots.

0:39.0

They had lasted with one interval for 23 years, which is pretty extraordinary.

0:43.4

You know, I mean, the war between Britain and France

0:45.8

goes on for over a whole generation.

0:48.8

And it's like total war by the standards of the period anyway.

0:52.2

You know, it's being fought obviously on the

0:56.6

European continent but also in various ways overseas and it's just like massive mobilization huge naval war.

1:05.0

And I feel like we've gotten throughout the book.

1:08.0

Thompson is sort of saying,

1:09.0

oh, the horrible social toll, the horrible social toll of this war, you know, prices and

1:13.9

conscription and all these things, taxes. But you know, 23 years is just an extremely long time and it makes sense that I feel like it was getting to the end of it. It made more sense to me why the war is such a crucible of radicalization.

1:34.0

Anyway, the point that he's making here is he says during the passage of the

1:42.4

corn laws in 1815 the passage of the corn laws in 1815, the houses of Parliament were

1:45.5

defended with troops from menacing crowds, thousands of disbanded soldiers and

1:49.7

sailors returned to find unemployment in their villages. the next four years are the heroic age of

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