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Welcome to Casters on C on casters conversations about the art and craft of podcasting

with the masters of the media the magicians of the microphone the titans of tightening up silences

on today's show john moe of Depresh Moe.

And Brenda Snell of secret histories of nerd mysteries.

Well, Brenda Kay, it's so nice to talk with you to do a crossover episode together.

Yeah.

I don't think we've done anything together before, have we?

No.

No, no, this is, this is the magic of

maximum fun. We're these, you know, especially during the drive when, when there's a sort of

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