Casey Luskin: ID Over After Dover? Not Even Close

Intelligent Design the Future

Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture

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🗓️ 16 December 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Over After Dover. That was the hopeful mantra of many critics of intelligent design (ID) after the Kitzmiller vs. Dover trial in 2005. They were hoping a federal judge could issue a decree from on high that would stop the ID movement cold in its tracks and neo-Darwinism could go back to being unquestioned, unchallenged orthodoxy. But was it over after Dover? Not even close. On this ID The Future, host Andrew McDiarmid marks the 20th anniversary of the Dover trial by beginning a two-part conversation with geologist, legal scholar, and Dover trial expert Dr. Casey Luskin. Luskin takes us back to 2005 to give us his unique perspective on the events that led to the Dover trial, his own personal experiences of the case, and the position the Discovery Institute's Center for Science & Culture held on the issues at stake. This is Part 1 of a two-part conversation. Source

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1:07.9	ID, the future, a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.
1:15.3	Over after Dover, that was the hopeful mantra of many ID critics after the Dover trial in 2005.
1:23.0	They were hoping a federal judge could issue a decree from on high that would stop the intelligent
1:27.8	design movement cold in its tracks, and the standard evolutionary view could go back to
1:33.1	being unquestioned, unchallenged orthodoxy. But was it over after Dover? Not even close,
1:39.8	as we're going to find out in today's discussion. Welcome to ID the Future. I'm your host, Andrew McDermott.
1:45.6	And today, I have the privilege of welcoming Dr. Casey Luskin to the show to review the basics of the Dover case with us
1:51.8	and show us where things stand on the 20th anniversary of Dover. Now, for the few who may not know them yet,
1:58.7	let me give you a few details on Casey's background.
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