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For my experience, it's not possible. You're going to have a phone left over that's going to be identifiable as human. We've turned cadavers to skeletal remains and there's significant identity.

We've turned them in less amount or burned them in buriedum or burned them in cool them all. You're going to have a significant amount of phone left over that can be easily identified by something that's trained as human.

Some of our scenarios, very long scenarios, 14 palettes, cadaver and hour and 45 minutes, two hours burned all 14 palettes and you still have a large amount of pelvic, thoracic, vertebrae. It's very difficult to completely burn up a victim. You're still going to have a phone that does not burn.

Last week we brought you two update episodes on the incredible developments that took place in the case of Angela Mack and Thomas Mikey were two, a month after we originally aired their story.

If you haven't listened to the original episode or the first two updates, hit pause and go listen to those first. They will bring you up to speed.

Today we're taking a look at another aspect of the developments in this case and as we said, they're incredible. Literally incredible.

Amarissa and from Wondery, this is a special episode of The Vanished. Episode 289, case continued, the furnace.

I'm Candace Dillon, host of the podcast Killer Psychie and in our newest season, we dissect the thoughts and behaviors of the most violent figures in history. Follow Killer Psychie on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts or you can listen early and add free by joining Wondery Plus on Apple Podcasts or the Wondery app.

Before we begin today's episode, we would like to warn you that the discussions that you will hear are graphic and we're going to examine several sensitive and potentially traumatic topics. Please listen with this in mind.

In early April of 2021, the Fulton County Sheriff's Office announced that they had solved the 2002 disappearances of Angela Mack and her son Mikey.

The first update episode, we read you the sheriff's press release word for word. The press release was a lot to take in. We had to read it multiple times to fully grasp what investigators alleged took place.

A double murder with no crime scene, no murder weapon, no motive, no bodies and a deceased killer. The story was almost stranger than fiction and we want to revisit the part of the press release set as the subject of today's episode. The details of the murders. This is what the press release said again word for word as originally read for us by Aaron from the generation why podcast.

On good Friday, April 2, 2021 FBI agents Jen Bach and Lisa Ladovico with the Norfolk office conducted a pre polygraph interview with Barbara and administered Barbara a polygraph exam of which he failed in reference to knowing what happened to Angela and Mikey.

In a post polygraph interview, she advised the agents that Clarence had told her that he had done away with both Angela Mack Cox and Thomas Michael R2, Mikey by killing them and destroying their bodies and a furnace that they had attached to their farmhouse.

She stated when they moved from the farmhouse to the house in Alton that Clarence told her that they had to move the furnace out of there since it was used to destroy both Angela and Mikey's bodies.

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021, we've spoke to Barbara Kruisen who reiterated the same information to him stating that Clarence told her that he had killed them and destroyed their bodies in their home outdoor furnace.

She stated when they moved from the farmhouse, he told her the furnace had to go because of what it had been used for.

We shared Barbara's interview with investigator Reaver with you in our first update episode, but as a refresher, this is what she said in regards to the furnace during that interview.

If he killed them there and he must have, if he used the furnace to get rid of them, don't you think they would have been some evidence of that around that you might have seen the next morning when you got up?

He couldn't have done it that night. We didn't use that furnace. It was blocked. The whole house would fill up with smoke.

I didn't have any reason that they didn't leave that morning.

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