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I've tried to look from an outsider's perspective because it's kind of hard for me, you know, going from somebody that I looked up to my whole life.

You know, that was an awesome person in my eyes. This has been kind of difficult.

So I try to put myself in another position to look at it. And it seems really odd, but I think it's more like, he's dead.

And so if, you know, we can get a statement from somebody like it's easy to pin something on a dead man. And I don't know. I will never know his side of the story.

And that's the part that sucks the most about it, I guess, as far as that goes, that maybe it was easy to pull the case without looking too much into it because he's not here.

To them, I guess it's just being served. I don't know. I don't agree with it.

On April 9, 2021, the Fulton County Sheriff's Office announced that they had solved and closed the 2002 disappearances of 20-year-old Angela Mack and her son, Thomas Mikey, were two.

In our last episode, we explored the dramatic turn of events in Angela and Mikey's mysterious disappearances since we originally aired their story in March.

If you haven't listened to that episode or our first update, we encourage you to hit pause and listen to those episodes first. And then come back to this one.

Today, we're continuing our dive into this incredible, still developing story. I'm Marissa, and from Wondery, this is a special episode of The Vanished.

In 288, the case continued, the Dead Man.

In this episode, we want to take a detailed look at who Clarence Crucyn was. In our first update episode, we shared with you the press release.

We shared with you the press release from Fulton County. In the interview with his former wife, Barbara, that led investigators to conclude that Clarence had murdered Angie and Mikey.

Why would investigators accuse a Dead Man of murder? Was Clarence the kind of person who would murder a young mother and her child?

Well, we were certainly surprised by what people told us and what we found when we started asking that question. One relative we spoke to asked us not to reveal her identity. So we will refer to her as Anna. Anna told us that Clarence was a beloved family member.

Clarence was my uncle. It's kind of a weird thing at this point because we were all really close. We had a pretty tight-knit family for the most part.

There was times that I would stay for a weekend or a week or two with my uncle. He loved all of us kids. He was always around all of us. We ended up moving in, I believe it was 2002.

After he got out of prison, we all got close to getting reconnected with everybody because he had been away for a while, like eight years. I was in my junior and senior year of high school.

He made it a point to spend as much time as he could with our family since everybody had missed out on so much with him. As far as I knew, he was always like a kind person and he was good to all of us.

Whenever he ended up getting shot, everybody was devastated because that was our favorite uncle and it was unbelievable. Like it was a shock. So then when all of this news came out, it was even more odd, I guess, that a lot of us didn't really want to believe that because he is not somebody that I could ever imagine hurting a child.

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