Hi, it's Mike. It's Saturday. After a Friday, or maybe it's a weekend Saturday. I'm going to give you the long talk book interview I did with Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson.

Recorded it out in Seattle. I got the tape from Cascade PBS, who is nice enough to invite me. The name of the book

is Original Sin. You've probably heard a lot about it, but this is the best interview you're going

to hear on it quite clearly. So Jake and Alex and Alex was absolutely in the middle of this while

it happened. Jake, after the fact, as you'll hear, said, you know, I owe it to myself as a journalist,

and I owe it to journalism to go and do the interviews that I couldn't do while Biden was in

office to try to figure out what happened.

And that's what we bring to the crowd at Cascade PBS, the Ideas Festival,

and the Ideas Festival that is ongoing every day on the gist original sin up next. Hi, everyone.

Thank you all for coming.

This is a great Ideas Festival.

I have been in the past to Notions get-togethers and inkling suarez,

but this is an Ideas Festival.

This is going to nail it.

What I'm going to do is read a little from the prompter,

and you'll have a chance to applaud very robustly, and then we'll talk.

Hello and welcome to the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival. I'm Mike Pesca, host of the GIST

Let's go back. What do you say we go back? That's one other, this is only going to happen now. Here we go.

Hello and welcome to the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival. I'm Mike Pesca, host of the GIST podcast.

The press corps and the presidency

are two institutions that have forever been locked in a duel and a dance. The media always wants

more, more access, more information, more scoops. Presidents have traditionally resisted, trying to

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