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🗓️ 3 July 2025
⏱️ 41 minutes
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Leon Neyfakh joins the show to discuss Final Thoughts, his new podcast chronicling Jerry Springer’s transformation from charismatic progressive politician to ringmaster of daytime TV chaos. They explore how Springer’s earnest civic ambitions unraveled into tabloid infamy—and why he never fully distanced himself from the circus he hosted. Mike also reflects on America’s confusing birthday—whether 1776, 1787, or the neglected Articles of Confederation truly mark the founding—and why the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth never made it to its own sestercentennial. It’s a conversation about spectacle, civic identity, and the uneasy line between public service and entertainment.
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0:00.0 | It's Thursday, July 3rd, 2025 from Peachfish Productions. It's the Gist. I'm Mike Peska. |
0:09.9 | And here we are, July 3rd, one day before the anniversary of our country, the founding of our |
0:16.3 | country, not really the founding. 1776, July 4th, more of a statement of intent. I always found it weird |
0:22.6 | that the 4th of July was the founding of the country. Not a country quite a while had to win a war. |
0:27.3 | Then the articles of a confederation. I would pay money for Trump to give a no one ever talks about |
0:33.5 | and then say the articles of a confederation because they really don't. Was it shameful? |
0:38.1 | Was it failure to launch? |
0:39.7 | I'm going to write historical fiction, maybe even a musical, about the Articles of Confederation. |
0:46.5 | It will be poorly, poorly attended. |
0:49.5 | Remember the 1619 project, which started with the rhetorical hook? |
0:58.0 | What if I told you 1619 should be considered the founding of the country? My answer is I dismiss it. It's not a good argument. And so I did. |
1:03.8 | But there was a lot of consternation involved. So the founding of the country should probably be |
1:08.9 | when there was a country. There was a Constitution 1787. |
1:12.5 | I'm into that. |
1:13.5 | How can you have a country that was founded before there were citizens? |
1:18.9 | When were the first citizens? |
1:20.6 | Had to happen after the Constitution. |
1:22.8 | Then Washington sworn in 1789. |
1:25.8 | Before that, Congress is seated April 1789 logically and I also looked it up |
1:32.0 | actually factually historically 1788 there were elections for these senators actually not senators |
1:40.8 | for these representatives direct election of the Senate, didn't come until |
1:44.4 | later. So it should be 1788. But it's not. It's 1776. And so we are one year before the Cester |
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