Caroline Fraser (on serial killers)

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Armchair Umbrella

Tv & Film, Music, Comedy

4.6 • 68.3K Ratings

🗓️ 6 August 2025

⏱️ 90 minutes

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Caroline Fraser (Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of Serial Killers) is a Pulitzer Prize-winning author. Caroline joins the Armchair Expert to discuss why Christian Science churches and parishioners are disappearing, consequences of healthcare ideologies and practices defined by religious exemption, and tracing her interest in writing about violence to growing up in the 70s. Caroline and Dax talk about why the Pacific Northwest is so associated with serial killers, women’s relationships to and the ethics of true crime, and her argument that violent crime is a human health issue. Caroline explains Missing White Woman Syndrome, why mass murderers and serial killers might be following different kinks, and whether she feels more paranoid as a result of writing this book.

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0:13.8	Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, Experts on Expert.
0:17.2	I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by Lily Padman.
0:19.4	We have a Pulitzer Prize winning author on
0:21.8	today, Caroline Frazier. She's got many great books, Prairie Fires, God's Perfect Child, Church,
0:32.0	and she has a new book out now called Murderland, Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of Serial Killers.
0:40.0	We love serial killers. You, you, a show on Netflix.
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