Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

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The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

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🗓️ 12 February 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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If Republican senators had any shred of dignity left, they'd demand that Kash Patel answer why he brazenly lied under oath to them about the purge of agents at the FBI. Credible sources have come forward to say he was directing the whole thing. Meanwhile, Trump has leveled the playing field so companies doing business overseas can do all the bribing they want. Plus, our modern "boy problem," our genetic wiring to not be loners, and finding a way out of our polarization by seeing we have an obligation to respect and care for other people.

Carol Leonnig and Bob Putnam join Tim Miller
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0:00.0	Hey guys, it's Tim. It's Wednesday. So we got this two-part episode that focused on specific issues.
0:04.3	First, we got Carol Lenig. It's maybe my favorite investigative reporter over at the post.
0:08.1	Don't tell everybody else. She specializes in Justice Department and FBI issues.
0:12.1	So we are going to drill down on this whistleblower report regarding what Cash Patel knew about the firings of the FBI and whether he perjured himself during
0:23.3	his confirmation hearing. So this is a massive story and she's working on a bunch of other issues
0:28.2	as well. So we're talking to Carol first. And then we're continuing kind of our series on the
0:32.6	loneliness epidemic. And we're going to the OG to Bob Putnam in segment two talk about that and kind of what his
0:39.9	bowling alone book, you know, how that reverberates in our politics today.
0:44.3	It's a super interesting convo.
0:46.0	On the other stuff, a bunch of other stuff in the news, the Elon Presser yesterday,
0:50.3	the news is out this morning about how there was an uptick and inflation last month and, you know, a bunch of other issues. The elimination of the penny. All the fun stuff. I get into that on the next level with Sarah and JVL for newbies. That's always out on Wednesday afternoons. It's a little more politics focused. And so people can go either catch that on YouTube or download the next level feed on your
1:13.7	podcast app of choice. So that will be up on Wednesday. So there's that. That's the agenda.
1:21.5	Hope you enjoy as much as you can. Hold on to your hats. next carol lennox hello and welcome to the bulwark podcast i'm your host
1:35.8	tim miller i'm delighted to be here today with one of my faves an investigative reporter at the
1:39.4	washington post she writes about government misconduct presidential power the justice
1:43.5	department and the fbi a four-time winner of the Pulitzer Prize, or books include a very stable genius, Donald Trump's testing of America.
1:51.0	It's Carol Lenig and her cat.
1:52.5	How you doing, Carol?
1:53.5	Hey, Tim.
1:54.1	It's great to be with you as usual.
1:56.1	Good to have you.
1:57.0	That beat is kind of not really relevant right now.
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